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Best Race for each Class
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Scott
2004-01-29 04:26:48 UTC
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Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
Andy Pear
2004-01-29 04:49:56 UTC
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Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
I almost wish I had made my mage an Erudite instead of High Elf. People
will say stats don't matter because you can always get gear. For raiders
I'm sure that's true, but I've struggled to max my int and there were a
bunch of times as I leveled up that the extra int would have been
appreciated. That said, I can't complain much about being a High Elf mage -
it's worked well enough so far and every Tom, Dick, and Harry int caster I
run into these days is an Erudite.
Scott
2004-01-29 05:06:52 UTC
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Post by Andy Pear
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
I almost wish I had made my mage an Erudite instead of High Elf. People
will say stats don't matter because you can always get gear. For raiders
I'm sure that's true, but I've struggled to max my int and there were a
bunch of times as I leveled up that the extra int would have been
appreciated. That said, I can't complain much about being a High Elf mage -
it's worked well enough so far and every Tom, Dick, and Harry int caster I
run into these days is an Erudite.
Kewl, what about the other classes? I made my enchanter a High Elf and
pumed up Cha 25 and put the leftover bonus points in Int
Andy Pear
2004-01-29 13:49:23 UTC
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Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would
be?
Post by Andy Pear
I almost wish I had made my mage an Erudite instead of High Elf. People
will say stats don't matter because you can always get gear. For raiders
I'm sure that's true, but I've struggled to max my int and there were a
bunch of times as I leveled up that the extra int would have been
appreciated. That said, I can't complain much about being a High Elf
mage -
Post by Andy Pear
it's worked well enough so far and every Tom, Dick, and Harry int caster I
run into these days is an Erudite.
Kewl, what about the other classes? I made my enchanter a High Elf and
pumed up Cha 25 and put the leftover bonus points in Int
I've only played one class with any regularity - magician. I'm probably not
really qualified to speak about other classes, but here are probably the
races I would choose:

Magician, wizard, enchanter - Erudite, but Gnomes are fun.
Necro - Erudite or Iksar (for enhanced regen). I'd probably go with Erudite
because at high level the lich forms take so many hp per tic the enhanced
regen from Iksar is not meaningful (just a guess). Then again, it's always
fun to think about the evil thoughts running through a Gnome necro's mind.
Cleric, Paladin - I'd go Dwarf. There's nothing that screams "Cleric" to me
like a nice stout Dwarf.
Warrior - Troll, or Dwarf if you want to have "good" faction or don't want
to deal with the Troll XP penalty.
Shaman - Barbarian.
Beastlord - Barbarian, but it's hard to pass on Vah Shir and the cool tiger
warder.
ShadowKnight - Troll. Maybe Iksar if they can be SK's.
Druid - I do Wood Elf, but Halflings get an xp bonus.
Ranger - Wood Elf??
Upcoming Beserker - Dwarf all the way!

Regarding putting 25 points into cha/5 points into int on an enchanter, I
suspect that you'll find that it would been better to reverse those
allocations. Mana is still the lifeblood of any pure caster class, even one
that charms and pacifies. Give it a go as is and see what your results are.
Scott
2004-01-29 18:01:23 UTC
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Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would
be?
Post by Andy Pear
I almost wish I had made my mage an Erudite instead of High Elf.
People
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Post by Andy Pear
will say stats don't matter because you can always get gear. For
raiders
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
I'm sure that's true, but I've struggled to max my int and there were a
bunch of times as I leveled up that the extra int would have been
appreciated. That said, I can't complain much about being a High Elf
mage -
Post by Andy Pear
it's worked well enough so far and every Tom, Dick, and Harry int
caster
Post by Andy Pear
I
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
run into these days is an Erudite.
Kewl, what about the other classes? I made my enchanter a High Elf and
pumed up Cha 25 and put the leftover bonus points in Int
I've only played one class with any regularity - magician. I'm probably not
really qualified to speak about other classes, but here are probably the
Magician, wizard, enchanter - Erudite, but Gnomes are fun.
Necro - Erudite or Iksar (for enhanced regen). I'd probably go with Erudite
because at high level the lich forms take so many hp per tic the enhanced
regen from Iksar is not meaningful (just a guess). Then again, it's always
fun to think about the evil thoughts running through a Gnome necro's mind.
Cleric, Paladin - I'd go Dwarf. There's nothing that screams "Cleric" to me
like a nice stout Dwarf.
Warrior - Troll, or Dwarf if you want to have "good" faction or don't want
to deal with the Troll XP penalty.
Shaman - Barbarian.
Beastlord - Barbarian, but it's hard to pass on Vah Shir and the cool tiger
warder.
ShadowKnight - Troll. Maybe Iksar if they can be SK's.
Druid - I do Wood Elf, but Halflings get an xp bonus.
Ranger - Wood Elf??
Upcoming Beserker - Dwarf all the way!
Regarding putting 25 points into cha/5 points into int on an enchanter, I
suspect that you'll find that it would been better to reverse those
allocations. Mana is still the lifeblood of any pure caster class, even one
that charms and pacifies. Give it a go as is and see what your results are.
It wasn't for the charming really, I'm pretty new to the game and I figured
I would try out the Cha for the bonus' from merchants.
I.E.
2004-01-30 07:04:32 UTC
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Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class
would
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be?
Post by Andy Pear
I almost wish I had made my mage an Erudite instead of High Elf.
People
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
will say stats don't matter because you can always get gear. For
raiders
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
I'm sure that's true, but I've struggled to max my int and there were
a
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
bunch of times as I leveled up that the extra int would have been
appreciated. That said, I can't complain much about being a High Elf
mage -
Post by Andy Pear
it's worked well enough so far and every Tom, Dick, and Harry int
caster
Post by Andy Pear
I
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
run into these days is an Erudite.
Kewl, what about the other classes? I made my enchanter a High Elf and
pumed up Cha 25 and put the leftover bonus points in Int
I've only played one class with any regularity - magician. I'm probably
not
Post by Andy Pear
really qualified to speak about other classes, but here are probably the
Magician, wizard, enchanter - Erudite, but Gnomes are fun.
Necro - Erudite or Iksar (for enhanced regen). I'd probably go with
Erudite
Post by Andy Pear
because at high level the lich forms take so many hp per tic the enhanced
regen from Iksar is not meaningful (just a guess). Then again, it's
always
Post by Andy Pear
fun to think about the evil thoughts running through a Gnome necro's mind.
Cleric, Paladin - I'd go Dwarf. There's nothing that screams "Cleric" to
me
Post by Andy Pear
like a nice stout Dwarf.
Warrior - Troll, or Dwarf if you want to have "good" faction or don't want
to deal with the Troll XP penalty.
Shaman - Barbarian.
Beastlord - Barbarian, but it's hard to pass on Vah Shir and the cool
tiger
Post by Andy Pear
warder.
ShadowKnight - Troll. Maybe Iksar if they can be SK's.
Druid - I do Wood Elf, but Halflings get an xp bonus.
Ranger - Wood Elf??
Upcoming Beserker - Dwarf all the way!
Regarding putting 25 points into cha/5 points into int on an enchanter, I
suspect that you'll find that it would been better to reverse those
allocations. Mana is still the lifeblood of any pure caster class, even
one
Post by Andy Pear
that charms and pacifies. Give it a go as is and see what your results
are.
It wasn't for the charming really, I'm pretty new to the game and I figured
I would try out the Cha for the bonus' from merchants.
If you just want to get better prices from merchants, you'll be much
better off buying 2 opal encrusted steins to use while trading.. They
only cost 10-20pp each and two will give you a total of +50CHA. That
extra 25 in INT will really make a difference later on.



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Sean Kennedy
2004-01-30 14:39:36 UTC
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Post by I.E.
If you just want to get better prices from merchants, you'll be much
better off buying 2 opal encrusted steins to use while trading.. They
only cost 10-20pp each and two will give you a total of +50CHA. That
extra 25 in INT will really make a difference later on.
Speaking as mage from the class with the lowest starting int (110 for
humans) - that extra 25 int makes no difference at all. I have 2
slots with no int in them at all, a +6int augment in the bank and my
unbuffed int is over 280. I would need IE3 and PP2 before I was
able to completely use all my int when I'm raid buffed, or even with
a purchased KEI.
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Vladesch
2004-01-30 11:53:05 UTC
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Post by Andy Pear
Post by Andy Pear
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would
be?
Post by Andy Pear
I almost wish I had made my mage an Erudite instead of High Elf. People
will say stats don't matter because you can always get gear. For raiders
I'm sure that's true, but I've struggled to max my int and there were a
bunch of times as I leveled up that the extra int would have been
appreciated. That said, I can't complain much about being a High Elf
mage -
Post by Andy Pear
it's worked well enough so far and every Tom, Dick, and Harry int caster I
run into these days is an Erudite.
Kewl, what about the other classes? I made my enchanter a High Elf and
pumed up Cha 25 and put the leftover bonus points in Int
Probably better to put it into int, since cha is so easy to get on items.
Doesnt really matter much tho. Todays gear lets you max out very easily.
Blacken_Blue
2004-01-29 06:38:18 UTC
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This is my opinion, and my opinion ONLY:

Bard - Half Elf or Wood Elf
Beastlord - Iksar
Cleric - Dwarf or High Elf
Druid - Halfling
Enchanter - Gnome or High Elf
Magician - Erudite
Monk - Iksar (I wish Vah Shir could be monks.....)
Necromancer - Dark Elf or Iksar
Paladin - Dwarf
Ranger - Wood Elf
Rogue - Halfling
Shadow Knight - Ogre
Shaman - Barbarian
Warrior - Barbarian, Ogre or Troll
Wizard - Erudite
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
Hamsterface
2004-01-29 10:13:47 UTC
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Post by Blacken_Blue
Cleric - Dwarf or High Elf
Dwarf works for me.
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Druid - Halfling
agree
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Enchanter - Gnome or High Elf
Any race really. With all the illusions it doesn't matter that much.
Post by Blacken_Blue
Monk - Iksar (I wish Vah Shir could be monks.....)
50/50 Iksar/Human - Human you have to get an item to make up for no
infravision which can be a pain, but better faction.
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Necromancer - Dark Elf or Iksar
Dark elf here.
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Paladin - Dwarf
Would have to say Froglok for Paladin. Stats are far better

Only commented on the ones I've actually got as characters.
Darktyger
2004-01-29 16:57:19 UTC
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Post by Hamsterface
Post by Blacken_Blue
Enchanter - Gnome or High Elf
Any race really. With all the illusions it doesn't matter that much.
True, but you can actually get the best starting cha/int balance with
a race that wasn't listed there: Erudite.
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David Pugh
2004-01-29 17:33:32 UTC
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How does Erudite Necromancer faction compare with Dark Elf Necromancer
faction?

I've played the Dark Elf and been despised in all the good cities and
tolerated in the evil ones. How about the Erudites?
georg
2004-01-29 18:30:51 UTC
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Post by David Pugh
How does Erudite Necromancer faction compare with Dark Elf Necromancer
faction?
I've played the Dark Elf and been despised in all the good cities and
tolerated in the evil ones. How about the Erudites?
It is your god that causes the fair wimps to despise thee, and not thy
race. See how they tremble in fear!

The only necromancers that have a God that is such a joke that the
lighties don't care too much about them are those gnomes who follow
Bertoxx. Perhaps it is because Disease is not as feared as Hatred and
Fear itself. Perhaps it is because gnomes are just so tasty and fun to
punt. Regardless, gnomes are welcome in most of the places the other
necromancers are not.

I have found few differences in faction between evil Erudites and Dark
elves.

-Lich Tarre Solskin
(I had an Erudite cleric to Cazic Thule for a while- to get the snare
necklace.)
Darktyger
2004-01-29 21:39:06 UTC
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Post by georg
Post by David Pugh
How does Erudite Necromancer faction compare with Dark Elf Necromancer
faction?
I've played the Dark Elf and been despised in all the good cities and
tolerated in the evil ones. How about the Erudites?
It is your god that causes the fair wimps to despise thee, and not thy
race. See how they tremble in fear!
Actually, for dark elves, race has a lot to do with it, too. For
necromancers, so does class. For the most part, your GOD only really
matters to cleric and paladin type NPCs.
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Bat Child (Sue M.)
2004-01-29 22:24:18 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:39:06 -0800, Darktyger
Post by Darktyger
Post by georg
Post by David Pugh
How does Erudite Necromancer faction compare with Dark Elf Necromancer
faction?
I've played the Dark Elf and been despised in all the good cities and
tolerated in the evil ones. How about the Erudites?
It is your god that causes the fair wimps to despise thee, and not thy
race. See how they tremble in fear!
Actually, for dark elves, race has a lot to do with it, too. For
necromancers, so does class. For the most part, your GOD only really
matters to cleric and paladin type NPCs.
I tried something once where I made a DE cleric and a DE necro (both
worshipping Inny, of course, since that's the only deity DE clerics
and necros can worship and those classes can't be agnostic) and went
to Qeynos with both of them and checked the /con messages for the
Qeynos guards. The cleric was dubious while the necro was
threatening. So apparently the Qeynos guards can tolerate clerics,
even DE ones or others that worship an evil god, as opposed to those
scummy necros! ;-)

(DE SKs might be threatening also, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be
surprised. I think agnostic DE are also dubious with Qeynos guards,
but not sure about that either)

(I also tried the /con message with the necro, the cleric and an
agnostic DE mage I made with those halfling Leatherfoot scout mobs in
Nektulos Forest and they were threatening to the cleric/necro and
dubious to the mage.

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Darktyger
2004-01-29 23:15:34 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:24:18 -0800, "Bat Child (Sue M.)"
Post by Bat Child (Sue M.)
Post by Darktyger
Actually, for dark elves, race has a lot to do with it, too. For
necromancers, so does class. For the most part, your GOD only really
matters to cleric and paladin type NPCs.
I tried something once where I made a DE cleric and a DE necro (both
worshipping Inny, of course, since that's the only deity DE clerics
and necros can worship and those classes can't be agnostic) and went
to Qeynos with both of them and checked the /con messages for the
Qeynos guards. The cleric was dubious while the necro was
threatening. So apparently the Qeynos guards can tolerate clerics,
even DE ones or others that worship an evil god, as opposed to those
scummy necros! ;-)
Well, necromancy is viewed as the most insidiously vile of magics, so
it's only natural its practitioners would be the most hated.
Post by Bat Child (Sue M.)
(DE SKs might be threatening also, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be
surprised. I think agnostic DE are also dubious with Qeynos guards,
but not sure about that either)
I'm pretty sure SKs get the same reaction as necromancers.
Post by Bat Child (Sue M.)
(I also tried the /con message with the necro, the cleric and an
agnostic DE mage I made with those halfling Leatherfoot scout mobs in
Nektulos Forest and they were threatening to the cleric/necro and
dubious to the mage.
I believe that's because the halflings in Nektulos are druids, and
thus can "see" your religion.
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Remington Stone
2004-01-30 00:12:51 UTC
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Bat Child (Sue M.) said:
}I tried something once where I made a DE cleric and a DE necro (both
}worshipping Inny, of course, since that's the only deity DE clerics
}and necros can worship and those classes can't be agnostic) and went
}to Qeynos with both of them and checked the /con messages for the
}Qeynos guards. The cleric was dubious while the necro was
}threatening. So apparently the Qeynos guards can tolerate clerics,
}even DE ones or others that worship an evil god, as opposed to those
}scummy necros! ;-)
}(DE SKs might be threatening also, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be
}surprised. I think agnostic DE are also dubious with Qeynos guards,
}but not sure about that either)

Are you sure, in both cases, that you checked a Qeynos Guard and not a
Corrupt Qeynos Guard? As I recall, the starting faction difference
between the two is not much more than a level for any race/class combo.

There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen, but
almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal with a
particular class even if they con ally.

[25 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Darktyger
2004-01-30 00:27:31 UTC
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Post by Remington Stone
There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen, but
almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal with a
particular class even if they con ally.
If they con ally, merchants will deal with you. Period.
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Remington Stone
2004-01-30 02:50:08 UTC
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Darktyger said:
}(Remington Stone) wrote:
}>There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen, but
}>almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal with a
}>particular class even if they con ally.
}If they con ally, merchants will deal with you. Period.

Nope. There's one particular merchant in the necro guild in Neriak, as I
recall, that won't sell to me even though I'm ally there. As I recall,
she says something like, "I'm sorry, I have nothing to do with enchanters.
Move along."

There's a similarly-minded guildleader in Erudin palace. Her issue was
with my gnomishness, though, so a quick illusion fixed her attitude. But
I'm KoS there now, so I can't go doublecheck that. :) From the same
bugged kill that made me ally to Neriak necros, strangely enough. Stupid
bugged illusion: guktan quest, sigh.

I've encountered this sort of thing a few times, and the only way around
it was to do my business with them via an alt. It's only ever been mobs
in guilds in cities on the original 3 continents.

Before you say "Period", make sure you've tried every NPC in the game, eh?

[25 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Darktyger
2004-01-30 03:10:08 UTC
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Post by Remington Stone
}>There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen, but
}>almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal with a
}>particular class even if they con ally.
}If they con ally, merchants will deal with you. Period.
Nope. There's one particular merchant in the necro guild in Neriak, as I
recall, that won't sell to me even though I'm ally there. As I recall,
she says something like, "I'm sorry, I have nothing to do with enchanters.
Move along."
There's a similarly-minded guildleader in Erudin palace. Her issue was
with my gnomishness, though, so a quick illusion fixed her attitude. But
I'm KoS there now, so I can't go doublecheck that. :) From the same
bugged kill that made me ally to Neriak necros, strangely enough. Stupid
bugged illusion: guktan quest, sigh.
I've encountered this sort of thing a few times, and the only way around
it was to do my business with them via an alt. It's only ever been mobs
in guilds in cities on the original 3 continents.
Before you say "Period", make sure you've tried every NPC in the game, eh?
Couldn't possibly be that you hit a bug, could it? My gnomish magician
has no trouble dealing with ANY of the merchants in Erudin palace, and
I HAVE tried every one. Oh, and her faction isn't ally... None of the
necro merchants have ever had any problem with my DE characters of ANY
class, and I've played every class available to them. (Yeah, I vendor
dive, which is why I've checked them all.)
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Remington Stone
2004-01-30 03:15:18 UTC
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Darktyger said:
}On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:50:08 +0000 (UTC), ***@veni.ucdavis.edu
}(Remington Stone) wrote:
}>Darktyger said:
}>}(Remington Stone) wrote:
}>}>There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen, but
}>}>almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal with a
}>}>particular class even if they con ally.
}>}If they con ally, merchants will deal with you. Period.
}>Nope. There's one particular merchant in the necro guild in Neriak, as I
}>recall, that won't sell to me even though I'm ally there. As I recall,
}>she says something like, "I'm sorry, I have nothing to do with enchanters.
}>Move along."
}>There's a similarly-minded guildleader in Erudin palace. Her issue was
}>with my gnomishness, though, so a quick illusion fixed her attitude. But
}>I'm KoS there now, so I can't go doublecheck that. :) From the same
}>bugged kill that made me ally to Neriak necros, strangely enough. Stupid
}>bugged illusion: guktan quest, sigh.
}>I've encountered this sort of thing a few times, and the only way around
}>it was to do my business with them via an alt. It's only ever been mobs
}>in guilds in cities on the original 3 continents.
}>Before you say "Period", make sure you've tried every NPC in the game, eh?
}Couldn't possibly be that you hit a bug, could it? My gnomish magician
}has no trouble dealing with ANY of the merchants in Erudin palace, and
}I HAVE tried every one. Oh, and her faction isn't ally... None of the
}necro merchants have ever had any problem with my DE characters of ANY
}class, and I've played every class available to them. (Yeah, I vendor
}dive, which is why I've checked them all.)

The one in Erudin was a guildleader, not a merchant. :) I'll doublecheck
it when I get a chance. The lady in neriak may not have liked my
gnomishness either, it has been a while.

[25 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Adam Russell
2004-01-30 03:38:39 UTC
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}>}>There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen, but
}>}>almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal with a
}>}>particular class even if they con ally.
}>}If they con ally, merchants will deal with you. Period.
}>Nope. There's one particular merchant in the necro guild in Neriak, as I
}>recall, that won't sell to me even though I'm ally there. As I recall,
}>she says something like, "I'm sorry, I have nothing to do with enchanters.
}>Move along."
}>There's a similarly-minded guildleader in Erudin palace. Her issue was
}>with my gnomishness, though, so a quick illusion fixed her attitude.
But
Post by Remington Stone
}>I'm KoS there now, so I can't go doublecheck that. :) From the same
}>bugged kill that made me ally to Neriak necros, strangely enough.
Stupid
Post by Remington Stone
}>bugged illusion: guktan quest, sigh.
}>I've encountered this sort of thing a few times, and the only way around
}>it was to do my business with them via an alt. It's only ever been mobs
}>in guilds in cities on the original 3 continents.
}>Before you say "Period", make sure you've tried every NPC in the game, eh?
}Couldn't possibly be that you hit a bug, could it? My gnomish magician
}has no trouble dealing with ANY of the merchants in Erudin palace, and
}I HAVE tried every one. Oh, and her faction isn't ally... None of the
}necro merchants have ever had any problem with my DE characters of ANY
}class, and I've played every class available to them. (Yeah, I vendor
}dive, which is why I've checked them all.)
The one in Erudin was a guildleader, not a merchant. :) I'll doublecheck
it when I get a chance. The lady in neriak may not have liked my
gnomishness either, it has been a while.
I'm guessing she said something like "Enchanters like you make me puke".
But it really wasnt your class, it was your race. Maybe she has a problem
pronouncing gnome.
Remington Stone
2004-01-30 20:48:25 UTC
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Adam Russell said:
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}> Darktyger said:
}> }On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:50:08 +0000 (UTC), ***@veni.ucdavis.edu
}> }(Remington Stone) wrote:
}> }>Darktyger said:
}> }>}(Remington Stone) wrote:
}> }>}>There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen, but
}> }>}>almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal with a
}> }>}>particular class even if they con ally.
}> }>}If they con ally, merchants will deal with you. Period.
}> }>Nope. There's one particular merchant in the necro guild in Neriak, as
}> }>I recall, that won't sell to me even though I'm ally there. As I
}> }>recall, she says something like, "I'm sorry, I have nothing to do
}> }>with enchanters. Move along."
}> I'll doublecheck it when I get a chance. The lady in neriak may not
}> have liked my gnomishness either, it has been a while.
}I'm guessing she said something like "Enchanters like you make me puke".
}But it really wasnt your class, it was your race. Maybe she has a problem
}pronouncing gnome.

Ayup, right you were. She won't deal with an indifferent-con gnome enc,
and bitches about class, but will deal with an indiff con (illusioned) DE
enc. There's a similar merchant in the SK area on the other side of the
stairs.

[26 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Darktyger
2004-01-30 06:25:50 UTC
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Post by Remington Stone
}Couldn't possibly be that you hit a bug, could it? My gnomish magician
}has no trouble dealing with ANY of the merchants in Erudin palace, and
}I HAVE tried every one. Oh, and her faction isn't ally... None of the
}necro merchants have ever had any problem with my DE characters of ANY
}class, and I've played every class available to them. (Yeah, I vendor
}dive, which is why I've checked them all.)
The one in Erudin was a guildleader, not a merchant. :) I'll doublecheck
it when I get a chance. The lady in neriak may not have liked my
gnomishness either, it has been a while.
If it was another class's guildleader, then its understandable. Didn't
have any trouble training there, though. Faction standing is the only
thing that determines whether you can deal with merchants or
guildleaders for your class, though. Race/class/diety/any combination
of or none of the above do impact faction with them, depending on the
NPC, though. But, in the nearly 5 years now that I've played, I've
never encountered a merchant that conned above dubious nor a
guildleader for my class that conned above apprehensive that wouldn't
deal with me, no matter the race they were or city they were in.
--
Dark Tyger, keeper of the Nerf Railgun(tm)

All hail the Thief....
Remington Stone
2004-01-30 20:51:02 UTC
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Darktyger said:
}(Remington Stone) wrote:
}>}Couldn't possibly be that you hit a bug, could it? My gnomish magician
}>}has no trouble dealing with ANY of the merchants in Erudin palace, and
}>}I HAVE tried every one. Oh, and her faction isn't ally... None of the
}>}necro merchants have ever had any problem with my DE characters of ANY
}>}class, and I've played every class available to them. (Yeah, I vendor
}>}dive, which is why I've checked them all.)
}>The one in Erudin was a guildleader, not a merchant. :) I'll doublecheck
}>it when I get a chance. The lady in neriak may not have liked my
}>gnomishness either, it has been a while.
}If it was another class's guildleader, then its understandable. Didn't
}have any trouble training there, though. Faction standing is the only
}thing that determines whether you can deal with merchants or
}guildleaders for your class, though. Race/class/diety/any combination
}of or none of the above do impact faction with them, depending on the
}NPC, though. But, in the nearly 5 years now that I've played, I've
}never encountered a merchant that conned above dubious nor a
}guildleader for my class that conned above apprehensive that wouldn't
}deal with me, no matter the race they were or city they were in.

No, it was an enchanter guildleader. There's one of those in Neriak as
well. Walk up to him as an indiff gnome, he tells me to piss off. But he
doesn't mind me once I'm illusioned.

[26 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
ME
2004-01-30 03:21:58 UTC
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Post by Darktyger
Post by Remington Stone
}>There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen,
but }>almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal
with a }>particular class even if they con ally.
}If they con ally, merchants will deal with you. Period.
Nope. There's one particular merchant in the necro guild in Neriak,
as I recall, that won't sell to me even though I'm ally there. As I
recall, she says something like, "I'm sorry, I have nothing to do with
enchanters. Move along."
There's a similarly-minded guildleader in Erudin palace. Her issue
was with my gnomishness, though, so a quick illusion fixed her
attitude. But I'm KoS there now, so I can't go doublecheck that. :)
From the same bugged kill that made me ally to Neriak necros,
strangely enough. Stupid bugged illusion: guktan quest, sigh.
I've encountered this sort of thing a few times, and the only way
around it was to do my business with them via an alt. It's only ever
been mobs in guilds in cities on the original 3 continents.
Before you say "Period", make sure you've tried every NPC in the game, eh?
Couldn't possibly be that you hit a bug, could it? My gnomish magician
has no trouble dealing with ANY of the merchants in Erudin palace, and
I HAVE tried every one. Oh, and her faction isn't ally... None of the
necro merchants have ever had any problem with my DE characters of ANY
class, and I've played every class available to them. (Yeah, I vendor
dive, which is why I've checked them all.)
My Gnome Wizard has come across very few merchants that refuse to serve
him. The only one I can think of off hand is a merchy in Neriak that you
have to buy some wizzy spells from. He absolutly won't sell to my Gnome,
so I made a DE wizard alt to buy the spells. Get a bit better deal on
them, too.

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Bat Child (Sue M.)
2004-01-30 00:50:14 UTC
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Post by Remington Stone
}I tried something once where I made a DE cleric and a DE necro (both
}worshipping Inny, of course, since that's the only deity DE clerics
}and necros can worship and those classes can't be agnostic) and went
}to Qeynos with both of them and checked the /con messages for the
}Qeynos guards. The cleric was dubious while the necro was
}threatening. So apparently the Qeynos guards can tolerate clerics,
}even DE ones or others that worship an evil god, as opposed to those
}scummy necros! ;-)
}(DE SKs might be threatening also, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be
}surprised. I think agnostic DE are also dubious with Qeynos guards,
}but not sure about that either)
Are you sure, in both cases, that you checked a Qeynos Guard and not a
Corrupt Qeynos Guard? As I recall, the starting faction difference
between the two is not much more than a level for any race/class combo.
They were the guards at the gate in North Qeynos where the newbie area
is; not sure if they are regular guards or Corrupt guards.
Post by Remington Stone
There are some faction differences based on class that I've seen, but
almost always merchants or guildleaders who simpy won't deal with a
particular class even if they con ally.
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Remington Stone
2004-01-30 02:52:05 UTC
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Bat Child (Sue M.) said:
}On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 00:12:51 +0000 (UTC), ***@veni.ucdavis.edu
}(Remington Stone) wrote:
}>Bat Child (Sue M.) said:
}>}I tried something once where I made a DE cleric and a DE necro (both
}>}worshipping Inny, of course, since that's the only deity DE clerics
}>}and necros can worship and those classes can't be agnostic) and went
}>}to Qeynos with both of them and checked the /con messages for the
}>}Qeynos guards. The cleric was dubious while the necro was
}>}threatening. So apparently the Qeynos guards can tolerate clerics,
}>}even DE ones or others that worship an evil god, as opposed to those
}>}scummy necros! ;-)
}>}(DE SKs might be threatening also, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be
}>}surprised. I think agnostic DE are also dubious with Qeynos guards,
}>}but not sure about that either)
}>Are you sure, in both cases, that you checked a Qeynos Guard and not a
}>Corrupt Qeynos Guard? As I recall, the starting faction difference
}>between the two is not much more than a level for any race/class combo.
}They were the guards at the gate in North Qeynos where the newbie area
}is; not sure if they are regular guards or Corrupt guards.

I'm going by imperfect memory here, but I think one is normal, and the
other is corrupt. A third walks out between the two at the gate
occasionally, almost always a normal one of some rank... Lieutenant?

[25 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Darktyger
2004-01-30 03:11:26 UTC
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Post by Remington Stone
}They were the guards at the gate in North Qeynos where the newbie area
}is; not sure if they are regular guards or Corrupt guards.
I'm going by imperfect memory here, but I think one is normal, and the
other is corrupt. A third walks out between the two at the gate
occasionally, almost always a normal one of some rank... Lieutenant?
I have at least 1 character that's KOS to the corrupt guards and has
no trouble with the gate guards. Similarly, I've had characters KOS to
the regular guards and not to the corrupt who's had both of the gate
guards con KOS.
--
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All hail the Thief....
Remington Stone
2004-01-30 03:17:40 UTC
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Darktyger said:
}(Remington Stone) wrote:
}>}They were the guards at the gate in North Qeynos where the newbie area
}>}is; not sure if they are regular guards or Corrupt guards.
}>I'm going by imperfect memory here, but I think one is normal, and the
}>other is corrupt. A third walks out between the two at the gate
}>occasionally, almost always a normal one of some rank... Lieutenant?
}I have at least 1 character that's KOS to the corrupt guards and has
}no trouble with the gate guards. Similarly, I've had characters KOS to
}the regular guards and not to the corrupt who's had both of the gate
}guards con KOS.

So you're saying neither of them is corrupt? Perhaps I conned a corrupt
one that wandered out.

[25 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firona Vie
Vladesch
2004-01-30 12:07:07 UTC
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Post by Darktyger
Post by georg
Post by David Pugh
How does Erudite Necromancer faction compare with Dark Elf Necromancer
faction?
I've played the Dark Elf and been despised in all the good cities and
tolerated in the evil ones. How about the Erudites?
It is your god that causes the fair wimps to despise thee, and not thy
race. See how they tremble in fear!
Actually, for dark elves, race has a lot to do with it, too. For
necromancers, so does class. For the most part, your GOD only really
matters to cleric and paladin type NPCs.
--
Class is very important. I was very surprised to find that a dark elf cleric
of innoruk starts out non kos to karana guards. ANY necro is kos to them
tho.
Vladesch
2004-01-30 12:05:12 UTC
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Post by David Pugh
How does Erudite Necromancer faction compare with Dark Elf Necromancer
faction?
I've played the Dark Elf and been despised in all the good cities and
tolerated in the evil ones. How about the Erudites?
Erudite necro is kos in most good cities, an exception being freeport (west
and east), although there are still occasionall npc that are kos if you go
wandering. (bard faction for one). Ogres are kos to you as well. Theres
probably less faction issues if you just go DE. But who cares with POK.
Beal
2004-01-30 19:26:54 UTC
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Post by Vladesch
Post by David Pugh
How does Erudite Necromancer faction compare with Dark Elf Necromancer
faction?
I've played the Dark Elf and been despised in all the good cities and
tolerated in the evil ones. How about the Erudites?
Erudite necro is kos in most good cities, an exception being freeport (west
and east), although there are still occasionall npc that are kos if you go
wandering. (bard faction for one). Ogres are kos to you as well. Theres
probably less faction issues if you just go DE. But who cares with POK.
I have an Erudite Necro worshipping CT. I have found that I am
tolerated in E/W FP, as you say. However I am hated most other
places. Here's the good thing though. My faction seems to be on the
redline in most places. I can fix it fairly easily if I need to. One
nice thing was that my faction at the OT outpost was merely
apprehensive. (I took it to amiable pretty quick to get my hammer)
Also, IIRC, Neriak was not KOS either.

Seems to me that you will trade off a few factions if you choose DE or
Erudite. But the advantage of the Erudite is that none of them are
deep KOS.
erich
2004-02-18 08:15:51 UTC
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As a Erudite Necro:
Dark Elves - most dubious, merchants apprehensive?, necro guild indifferent.
gnomes - threatenly except for the necro guild which was apprehensive
high elves - dubious
wood elves - dubious (didn't check ranger / druid)
iksar - threat/ready to attack
ogre - ready to attack (only check newbie guards)
trolls - warrior guild was ready to attack , most others were dubious
"good" Erudites were all dubious or higher when I explored
"evil" Erudites were all amiable
Qeynos - "good" guards were threatenly , "evil" guards were dubious, monks
were dubious, casters were ready to attack, clerics/pallys were dubious
Freeport - cleric/pally were dubious, monk was dubious, casters were
dubious, nercos were amiable, "evil" guards were apprehensive
dwarves - all ready to attack
frogs - only checked newbie guards at ready to attack
"cat" city was indifferent
FV- ready to attack
OT - apprehensive
42
2004-01-30 01:19:33 UTC
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Post by Hamsterface
Post by Blacken_Blue
Cleric - Dwarf or High Elf
Dwarf works for me.
Post by Blacken_Blue
Druid - Halfling
agree
Post by Blacken_Blue
Enchanter - Gnome or High Elf
Forget stats, one can make those up with gear.

I favour dark elves... racial ability to hide (which can be used to
break charm) is very handy. Sure the class gets invis, but the class
already has more spells than anything else... and spell slots are a
tight commodity for these guys.
Remington Stone
2004-01-30 00:03:13 UTC
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Blacken_Blue said:
}This is my opinion, and my opinion ONLY:
}
}Bard - Half Elf or Wood Elf
}Beastlord - Iksar
}Cleric - Dwarf or High Elf
}Druid - Halfling
}Enchanter - Gnome or High Elf
}Magician - Erudite
}Monk - Iksar (I wish Vah Shir could be monks.....)
}Necromancer - Dark Elf or Iksar
}Paladin - Dwarf
}Ranger - Wood Elf
}Rogue - Halfling
}Shadow Knight - Ogre
}Shaman - Barbarian
}Warrior - Barbarian, Ogre or Troll
}Wizard - Erudite

This is my bias, and my bias ONLY:

Bard - Gnome
Beastlord - Gnome
Cleric - Gnome
Druid - Gnome
Enchanter - Gnome or Gnome
Magician - Gnome
Monk - Gnome
Necromancer - Gnome
Paladin - Gnome
Ranger - Gnome
Rogue - Gnome
Shadow Knight - Pixie
Shaman - Gnome
Warrior - Gnome
Wizard - Gnome

[25 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Troll) Firiona Vie
Sean Kennedy
2004-01-30 14:36:13 UTC
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Post by Remington Stone
Bard - Gnome
Beastlord - Gnome
Cleric - Gnome
Druid - Gnome
Enchanter - Gnome or Gnome
Magician - Gnome
Monk - Gnome
Necromancer - Gnome
Paladin - Gnome
Ranger - Gnome
Rogue - Gnome
Shadow Knight - Pixie
Shaman - Gnome
Warrior - Gnome
Wizard - Gnome
[25 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Troll) Firiona Vie
Gnome, it's what's for dinner.
--
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Vladesch
2004-01-30 11:59:59 UTC
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Post by Blacken_Blue
Beastlord - Iksar
Big penalty here. Not sure the racial bonuses are woth it.
Sean Kennedy
2004-01-30 14:40:28 UTC
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Post by Vladesch
Post by Blacken_Blue
Beastlord - Iksar
Big penalty here. Not sure the racial bonuses are woth it.
For Beastlord, pick the race with your favorite warder graphic
:)
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Scott
2004-01-30 20:18:57 UTC
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Post by Vladesch
Post by Blacken_Blue
Beastlord - Iksar
Big penalty here. Not sure the racial bonuses are woth it.
I made my monk an Iksar and it does suck that I can't go into most towns w/o
being attacked. Can't wait till I can start killing those guards.
Jeff Lindholm
2004-02-02 14:05:07 UTC
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Post by Vladesch
Post by Blacken_Blue
Beastlord - Iksar
Big penalty here. Not sure the racial bonuses are woth it.
I have a Vah Shir Beastlord he is level 56, some friends wanted to start
Beastlords and they wanted to go Iksar so I made an Iksar and moved all my
equipment to him (play on FV so he pretty decked out) and I have leveled him
to 32 in the last 3 evenings at about 4 hours each evening (admittedly his
spell abilities are lagging, but all weapons skills are maxed) I am not
seeing any penalty, I am definitely out leveling the people I grouped with
in PC.

Now all that being said I still like the cat BL better, the pet is just so
much cooler...............
Darktyger
2004-02-02 16:38:54 UTC
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:05:07 GMT, "Jeff Lindholm"
Post by Jeff Lindholm
I have leveled him
to 32 in the last 3 evenings at about 4 hours each evening (admittedly his
spell abilities are lagging, but all weapons skills are maxed) I am not
seeing any penalty,
Well, of course you're not going to see it PLing. (And that's the only
way to get 32 levels in a total of 12 hours).
--
Dark Tyger, keeper of the Nerf Railgun(tm)

All hail the Thief....
Jeff Lindholm
2004-02-04 12:45:56 UTC
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Post by Darktyger
On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:05:07 GMT, "Jeff Lindholm"
Post by Jeff Lindholm
I have leveled him
to 32 in the last 3 evenings at about 4 hours each evening (admittedly his
spell abilities are lagging, but all weapons skills are maxed) I am not
seeing any penalty,
Well, of course you're not going to see it PLing. (And that's the only
way to get 32 levels in a total of 12 hours).
--
Dark Tyger, keeper of the Nerf Railgun(tm)
I guess if you consider good gear PLing (NOT level 56 gear other than the
hammer of stiking which are about 10k on my server) then I am PLing. If you
mean I have a high level helping that is not true. I don't even have temp. I
went to Paineel, Warrens, then PC and was 24 in about 8 hours (maybe 10
which would add about 2 hours to my 12 hour total). I did group with a
cleric my level or shaman for all of that. Who ever I was grouped with
leveled a little earlier than I did, but I switched partners often because I
did do heads down leveling for every night, and camped where I was going to
be the next night.
Ben Sisson
2004-01-29 07:53:49 UTC
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Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
Gnome.
kaev
2004-01-29 14:14:10 UTC
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Post by Ben Sisson
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
Gnome.
Gnomes are for punting!
Graeme Faelban
2004-01-29 15:26:44 UTC
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Post by Ben Sisson
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
Gnome.
Heh figured I should read the thread before posting, that was going to be
my answer.

http://flag.blackened.net/pipermail/infoshop-news/2002-June/001038.html
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Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons
Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons
Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons
Sean Kennedy
2004-01-29 16:51:24 UTC
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Post by Graeme Faelban
Post by Ben Sisson
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
Gnome.
Heh figured I should read the thread before posting, that was going to
be my answer.
http://flag.blackened.net/pipermail/infoshop-news/2002-June/001038.html
Gnome is for eating.

It's amazing how good Gnome loin chops are with just a bit of olive
oil, fresh ground pepper and sea salt. Then place under broiler for
5 minutes a side. Serve with either mint-apple jelly or horseradish
cream sauce(*).

* just whip heavy whipping cream to soft peaks, and fold in your favorite
fresh ground horseradish root. YUM!
--
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Graeme Faelban
2004-01-29 17:06:09 UTC
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Post by Sean Kennedy
Post by Graeme Faelban
Post by Ben Sisson
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class
would
Post by Sean Kennedy
Post by Graeme Faelban
Post by Ben Sisson
Post by Scott
be?
Gnome.
Heh figured I should read the thread before posting, that was going to
be my answer.
http://flag.blackened.net/pipermail/infoshop-news/2002-
June/001038.html
Post by Sean Kennedy
Gnome is for eating.
It's amazing how good Gnome loin chops are with just a bit of olive
oil, fresh ground pepper and sea salt. Then place under broiler for
5 minutes a side. Serve with either mint-apple jelly or horseradish
cream sauce(*).
* just whip heavy whipping cream to soft peaks, and fold in your favorite
fresh ground horseradish root. YUM!
Mmmmm.

I'm kind of partial to Elven Veal myself, but the odd Gnome Kabobb is
quite good as well.
--
On Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr>
Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons
Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons
Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons
Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons
John M Clancy
2004-01-29 09:09:24 UTC
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Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
There is no 'best' race. Most starting stats can be made up with
gear. But I'll play along

Warrior - Ogre, no stuns from the front is huge.
Shadow knight - Ogre
Paladin - Dwarf
Rogue - Dwarf
Shaman - Iksar, best starting Wisdom and regen.
Necro - Iksar, for necros hp and regen are mana.
Ranger - Halfling
Enchanter - High elf
KinSlayer[2040]
2004-01-29 10:27:44 UTC
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Post by John M Clancy
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
There is no 'best' race. Most starting stats can be made up with
gear. But I'll play along
Warrior - Ogre, no stuns from the front is huge.
Shadow knight - Ogre
Paladin - Dwarf
Rogue - Dwarf
Shaman - Iksar, best starting Wisdom and regen.
Necro - Iksar, for necros hp and regen are mana.
Ranger - Halfling
Enchanter - High elf
Race doesnt matter.
The End
Robin Russell
2004-01-29 14:00:21 UTC
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Size matters (try being an enchanter trying to target an add with an ogre in
the way)
My warrior is a gnome
Post by KinSlayer[2040]
Post by John M Clancy
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would
be?
Post by John M Clancy
There is no 'best' race. Most starting stats can be made up with
gear. But I'll play along
Warrior - Ogre, no stuns from the front is huge.
Shadow knight - Ogre
Paladin - Dwarf
Rogue - Dwarf
Shaman - Iksar, best starting Wisdom and regen.
Necro - Iksar, for necros hp and regen are mana.
Ranger - Halfling
Enchanter - High elf
Race doesnt matter.
The End
Tim Smith
2004-02-02 08:33:42 UTC
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Post by KinSlayer[2040]
Race doesnt matter.
The End
For people who aren't playing their Nth powerleveled character, it matters.
For example, take Clerics. The Dark Elf advantages (Ultravision, Hide,
Snare) can be significant.
--
--Tim Smith
Archerbear
2004-02-03 19:46:38 UTC
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Post by Tim Smith
Post by KinSlayer[2040]
Race doesnt matter.
The End
For people who aren't playing their Nth powerleveled character, it matters.
For example, take Clerics. The Dark Elf advantages (Ultravision, Hide,
Snare) can be significant.
--
--Tim Smith
Snare is a DE advantage? Did I miss something? Or is there a questable
item for DE clerics or something?

For my opinion on clerics - if you're not being PL'd - Halfling clerics have
acceptable stats, Hide, and don't have the DE faction issues.
Graeme Faelban
2004-02-03 19:48:55 UTC
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Post by Archerbear
Post by Tim Smith
Post by KinSlayer[2040]
Race doesnt matter.
The End
For people who aren't playing their Nth powerleveled character, it
matters. For example, take Clerics. The Dark Elf advantages
(Ultravision, Hide, Snare) can be significant.
--
--Tim Smith
Snare is a DE advantage? Did I miss something? Or is there a
questable item for DE clerics or something?
For my opinion on clerics - if you're not being PL'd - Halfling
clerics have acceptable stats, Hide, and don't have the DE faction
issues.
Inny worshippers in general can quest for a clicky snare necklace. It's
a low level necro snare, but still, better than nothing.
--
On Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr>
Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons
Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons
Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons
Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons
Graefaxe
2004-02-03 19:43:03 UTC
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"Archerbear" <***@notqwest.net> wrote in message news:BUSTb.31$***@news.uswest.net...
:
: "Tim Smith" <***@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
: news:GXnTb.7110$***@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
: > In article <pe5Sb.35826$***@news20.bellglobal.com>,
: KinSlayer[2040] wrote:
: > > Race doesnt matter.
: > > The End
: >
: > For people who aren't playing their Nth powerleveled character, it
: matters.
: > For example, take Clerics. The Dark Elf advantages (Ultravision, Hide,
: > Snare) can be significant.
: >
: > --
: > --Tim Smith
:
: Snare is a DE advantage? Did I miss something? Or is there a questable
: item for DE clerics or something?

Questable item with snare/dot. Innitiate Symbol of Innoruuk(?) I think.

:
Scott
2004-01-29 18:05:02 UTC
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Post by John M Clancy
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
There is no 'best' race. Most starting stats can be made up with
gear. But I'll play along
Everyone keeps saying this, but so far the only stat modifing equipment I've
been able to find is +/- 4 or 5 at most and that doesn't seem like a big
differance, being new to the game it will be months before I can find decent
equipment for even ONE char so I just decided to try to get the best suited
race for the early lvl's
Post by John M Clancy
Warrior - Ogre, no stuns from the front is huge.
Shadow knight - Ogre
Paladin - Dwarf
Rogue - Dwarf
Shaman - Iksar, best starting Wisdom and regen.
Necro - Iksar, for necros hp and regen are mana.
Ranger - Halfling
Enchanter - High elf
richard cortese
2004-01-30 13:42:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scott
Post by John M Clancy
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would
be?
Post by John M Clancy
There is no 'best' race. Most starting stats can be made up with
gear. But I'll play along
Everyone keeps saying this, but so far the only stat modifing equipment I've
been able to find is +/- 4 or 5 at most and that doesn't seem like a big
differance, being new to the game it will be months before I can find decent
equipment for even ONE char so I just decided to try to get the best suited
race for the early lvl's
One of the first players from the news group that made it to level 50, back
when that was the highest level you could attain, didn't remember to
distribute their points at all. It was an interface problem back then, if
your name didn't pass you had to redistribute the points. That was also
before there was a lot of good equipment in the game too. It may look
difficult but with experience running a character you, become more
efficient.

Most characters have some built in overkill with their starting stats and
the unless you totally blow the points distribution will do just fine. You
can only land so many nukes before the target dies. If you started a fight
before you were at full mana, well that is not a good strategy ever. The
difference between having enough mana for 7 nukes instead of 6 nukes isn't
important if the target is dead in 4. Well a lot of yahoos like bragging
about how they still have 2 bubbles left after a fight: Just ignore them.

Pet classes are not really mana intensive. My first character was a mage
where I dumped at least 10<or more, I have to check> points into strength
and it really didn't matter. You may run into trouble if you try to run an
enchanter like a wizard, but you shouldn't be doing that in the first place.

Where it does make a difference is when things go bad. A little extra mana
for a root or gate when you get an add is a life saver. Part of the
experience thing is not getting adds.

The other part of experience is damage mitigation. Things like knowing where
the zone lines are, maybe always have a SoW up, choosing good players to
team with, that kind of stuff. When things go bad, you live.

I have a lot of characters that weren't the smart choice. Some of them I
made knowing it wasn't the smart choice which is *human* anything. I have
human [magician, necro, ranger, druid, wizard] all with surnames. Except for
not being able to see it went all right.
Scott
2004-01-30 20:17:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by John M Clancy
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would
be?
Post by John M Clancy
There is no 'best' race. Most starting stats can be made up with
gear. But I'll play along
Everyone keeps saying this, but so far the only stat modifing equipment
I've
Post by Scott
been able to find is +/- 4 or 5 at most and that doesn't seem like a big
differance, being new to the game it will be months before I can find
decent
Post by Scott
equipment for even ONE char so I just decided to try to get the best
suited
Post by Scott
race for the early lvl's
One of the first players from the news group that made it to level 50, back
when that was the highest level you could attain, didn't remember to
distribute their points at all. It was an interface problem back then, if
your name didn't pass you had to redistribute the points. That was also
before there was a lot of good equipment in the game too. It may look
difficult but with experience running a character you, become more
efficient.
Most characters have some built in overkill with their starting stats and
the unless you totally blow the points distribution will do just fine. You
I only put bonus points into the green colored stats.
Post by Scott
can only land so many nukes before the target dies. If you started a fight
before you were at full mana, well that is not a good strategy ever. The
difference between having enough mana for 7 nukes instead of 6 nukes isn't
important if the target is dead in 4. Well a lot of yahoos like bragging
about how they still have 2 bubbles left after a fight: Just ignore them.
Pet classes are not really mana intensive. My first character was a mage
where I dumped at least 10<or more, I have to check> points into strength
and it really didn't matter. You may run into trouble if you try to run an
enchanter like a wizard, but you shouldn't be doing that in the first place.
Where it does make a difference is when things go bad. A little extra mana
for a root or gate when you get an add is a life saver. Part of the
experience thing is not getting adds.
The other part of experience is damage mitigation. Things like knowing where
the zone lines are, maybe always have a SoW up, choosing good players to
team with, that kind of stuff. When things go bad, you live.
I have a lot of characters that weren't the smart choice. Some of them I
made knowing it wasn't the smart choice which is *human* anything. I have
human [magician, necro, ranger, druid, wizard] all with surnames. Except for
not being able to see it went all right.
Jonathan Bryant
2004-04-08 18:16:52 UTC
Permalink
I would most definatly say that an edruite is the best race for echanter,
and troll for warior, wood elf for ranger. high elpf for any white magic
class, dark elf for dark magic, other than enchanter of course, i think
vashire or halfling would make a good rouge, i would also use a high elf for
a bard
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by John M Clancy
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class
would
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
be?
Post by John M Clancy
There is no 'best' race. Most starting stats can be made up with
gear. But I'll play along
Everyone keeps saying this, but so far the only stat modifing equipment
I've
Post by Scott
been able to find is +/- 4 or 5 at most and that doesn't seem like a big
differance, being new to the game it will be months before I can find
decent
Post by Scott
equipment for even ONE char so I just decided to try to get the best
suited
Post by Scott
race for the early lvl's
One of the first players from the news group that made it to level 50,
back
Post by Scott
when that was the highest level you could attain, didn't remember to
distribute their points at all. It was an interface problem back then, if
your name didn't pass you had to redistribute the points. That was also
before there was a lot of good equipment in the game too. It may look
difficult but with experience running a character you, become more
efficient.
Most characters have some built in overkill with their starting stats and
the unless you totally blow the points distribution will do just fine. You
I only put bonus points into the green colored stats.
Post by Scott
can only land so many nukes before the target dies. If you started a fight
before you were at full mana, well that is not a good strategy ever. The
difference between having enough mana for 7 nukes instead of 6 nukes isn't
important if the target is dead in 4. Well a lot of yahoos like bragging
about how they still have 2 bubbles left after a fight: Just ignore them.
Pet classes are not really mana intensive. My first character was a mage
where I dumped at least 10<or more, I have to check> points into strength
and it really didn't matter. You may run into trouble if you try to run an
enchanter like a wizard, but you shouldn't be doing that in the first
place.
Post by Scott
Where it does make a difference is when things go bad. A little extra mana
for a root or gate when you get an add is a life saver. Part of the
experience thing is not getting adds.
The other part of experience is damage mitigation. Things like knowing
where
Post by Scott
the zone lines are, maybe always have a SoW up, choosing good players to
team with, that kind of stuff. When things go bad, you live.
I have a lot of characters that weren't the smart choice. Some of them I
made knowing it wasn't the smart choice which is *human* anything. I have
human [magician, necro, ranger, druid, wizard] all with surnames. Except
for
Post by Scott
not being able to see it went all right.
Jonathan Bryant
2004-04-08 18:19:21 UTC
Permalink
cont from previous... vashire would make an exelent beastlord, i agree with
you Darktyger
Post by Jonathan Bryant
I would most definatly say that an edruite is the best race for echanter,
and troll for warior, wood elf for ranger. high elpf for any white magic
class, dark elf for dark magic, other than enchanter of course, i think
vashire or halfling would make a good rouge, i would also use a high elf for
a bard
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by John M Clancy
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class
would
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
be?
Post by John M Clancy
There is no 'best' race. Most starting stats can be made up with
gear. But I'll play along
Everyone keeps saying this, but so far the only stat modifing
equipment
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
I've
Post by Scott
been able to find is +/- 4 or 5 at most and that doesn't seem like a
big
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
differance, being new to the game it will be months before I can find
decent
Post by Scott
equipment for even ONE char so I just decided to try to get the best
suited
Post by Scott
race for the early lvl's
One of the first players from the news group that made it to level 50,
back
Post by Scott
when that was the highest level you could attain, didn't remember to
distribute their points at all. It was an interface problem back then,
if
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
your name didn't pass you had to redistribute the points. That was also
before there was a lot of good equipment in the game too. It may look
difficult but with experience running a character you, become more
efficient.
Most characters have some built in overkill with their starting stats
and
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
the unless you totally blow the points distribution will do just fine.
You
Post by Scott
I only put bonus points into the green colored stats.
Post by Scott
can only land so many nukes before the target dies. If you started a
fight
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
before you were at full mana, well that is not a good strategy ever. The
difference between having enough mana for 7 nukes instead of 6 nukes
isn't
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
important if the target is dead in 4. Well a lot of yahoos like bragging
about how they still have 2 bubbles left after a fight: Just ignore
them.
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
Pet classes are not really mana intensive. My first character was a mage
where I dumped at least 10<or more, I have to check> points into
strength
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
and it really didn't matter. You may run into trouble if you try to
run
Post by Jonathan Bryant
an
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
enchanter like a wizard, but you shouldn't be doing that in the first
place.
Post by Scott
Where it does make a difference is when things go bad. A little extra
mana
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
for a root or gate when you get an add is a life saver. Part of the
experience thing is not getting adds.
The other part of experience is damage mitigation. Things like knowing
where
Post by Scott
the zone lines are, maybe always have a SoW up, choosing good players to
team with, that kind of stuff. When things go bad, you live.
I have a lot of characters that weren't the smart choice. Some of them I
made knowing it wasn't the smart choice which is *human* anything. I
have
Post by Scott
Post by Scott
human [magician, necro, ranger, druid, wizard] all with surnames. Except
for
Post by Scott
not being able to see it went all right.
Rumbledor
2004-04-08 20:18:29 UTC
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Post by Jonathan Bryant
cont from previous... vashire would make an exelent beastlord, i agree
with you Darktyger
Post by Jonathan Bryant
I would most definatly say that an edruite is the best race for
echanter, and troll for warior, wood elf for ranger. high elpf for
any white magic class, dark elf for dark magic, other than enchanter
of course, i think vashire or halfling would make a good rouge, i
would also use a high elf
for
Post by Jonathan Bryant
a bard
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class
would
be?
< snip all the stuff that should have been snipped before >

Just curious, was this a new record for number of a.g.e. protocols broken
in one post?
--
Rumble

"Am I jumpin' from tree to tree all nimbly-bimbly?!"
Remington Stone
2004-04-08 21:08:50 UTC
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Rumbledor said:
}"Jonathan Bryant" <antispamjon-***@rogers.com> wrote in
}> cont from previous... vashire would make an exelent beastlord, i agree
}> with you Darktyger
}> "Jonathan Bryant" <antispamjon-***@rogers.com> wrote in message
}>> I would most definatly say that an edruite is the best race for
}>> echanter, and troll for warior, wood elf for ranger. high elpf for
}>> any white magic class, dark elf for dark magic, other than enchanter
}>> of course, i think vashire or halfling would make a good rouge, i
}>> would also use a high elf for a bard
}< snip all the stuff that should have been snipped before >
}Just curious, was this a new record for number of a.g.e. protocols broken
}in one post?

Oh, I'm sure it's not even close. Although agreeing with DT does push
it up there... :) But Jonathan, if you could bottom post and trim the
quoted text it'd please many of us greatly.

Be sure to check out the alt.games.everquest FAQ at:
http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/age.faq.htm

[38 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti <Alliance of Empires> (Gnome) Firiona
Remington Stone
2004-04-08 21:15:01 UTC
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Jonathan Bryant said:
}"Jonathan Bryant" <antispamjon-***@rogers.com> wrote in message
}news:oGgdc.16$***@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
}> I would most definatly say that an edruite is the best race for echanter,
}> and troll for warior, wood elf for ranger. high elpf for any white magic
}> class, dark elf for dark magic, other than enchanter of course, i think
}> vashire or halfling would make a good rouge, i would also use a high elf
}> for a bard
}cont from previous... vashire would make an exelent beastlord, i agree with
}you Darktyger

I feel strongly that gnomes make a much better enchanter. But I may well
be biased. :) Why would you choose troll ptahetic regen over ogre
not-stunnable-from-the-front? High elves suck, period. They may have
their points, except for the fatal flaw of having to look like a high elf.
And they make really lousy bards. :)

But seriously, choice of race isn't subject to a 'best for class' thingy.
Any advantage given by any tiny stat variation or special racial skill is
going to be heavily outweighed by 'having to go around looking like an X'
for 65 levels. Be the race you feel comfortable being, or that you most
identify with. That will bring you much more long-term happiness than
being the race that got an extra point of hp regen or 5 extra int.

[38 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti <Alliance of Empires> (Gnome) Firiona
Bat Child (Sue M.)
2004-04-08 20:24:11 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:16:52 GMT, "Jonathan Bryant"
Post by Jonathan Bryant
I would most definatly say that an edruite is the best race for echanter,
and troll for warior, wood elf for ranger. high elpf for any white magic
class, dark elf for dark magic, other than enchanter of course, i think
vashire or halfling would make a good rouge, i would also use a high elf for
a bard
Did you mean half elf for a bard?


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Hagen Sienhold
2004-04-11 12:41:12 UTC
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Post by Bat Child (Sue M.)
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:16:52 GMT, "Jonathan Bryant"
Post by Jonathan Bryant
I would most definatly say that an edruite is the best race for echanter,
and troll for warior, wood elf for ranger. high elpf for any white magic
class, dark elf for dark magic, other than enchanter of course, i think
vashire or halfling would make a good rouge, i would also use a high elf for
a bard
Did you mean half elf for a bard?
Good. I was really surprised to read that high elfes could be bards. :)
Btw, I would have made my bard human if only they had better hair cuts.
Human males just look stupid imho. :/ So I've chosen half elf for my bard.
And no, I haven't had a helmet unless I found a non graphic one. :)

So choose a race based on your taste and just spent your starting points
reasonable. Equipment will even out the differences later.


Hagen
--
[Kael Drakkel]
Niridur, 65 Bard
Taeelil, 64 Enchanter
Graeme Faelban
2004-01-29 15:24:05 UTC
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Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
Best? What do you mean by best? Most fun to play? Best stats? Best
special abilities? Fastest to level?
--
On Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr>
Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons
Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons
Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons
Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons
Scott
2004-01-29 18:05:55 UTC
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Post by Graeme Faelban
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
Best? What do you mean by best? Most fun to play? Best stats? Best
special abilities? Fastest to level?
The race with the stats most suited for that class.
Post by Graeme Faelban
--
On Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr>
Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons
Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons
Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons
Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons
Empty
2004-01-29 19:22:10 UTC
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Post by Scott
Post by Graeme Faelban
Best? What do you mean by best? Most fun to play? Best stats? Best
special abilities? Fastest to level?
The race with the stats most suited for that class.
There's more to it than stats.

There are exp penalties and special abilities and (less important now)
faction considerations.

Example: Iksar monks get better regen, and innate forage. They get slightly
better (for a monk) stats. They also get a 25% exp penalty.

Example 2: Troll warriors get regen. Ogre warriors get immunity to melee
stuns from the front arc.

~Empty
--
'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike
Khosh
2004-01-29 21:34:35 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:22:10 -0000, Empty
Post by Empty
Post by Scott
The race with the stats most suited for that class.
There's more to it than stats.
There are exp penalties and special abilities and (less important now)
faction considerations.
Experience Penalties (Race)
Trolls/Iksars: -20%
Ogres:-15%
Barbarians:-5%

Experience Bonuses (Race)
Halflings: +5%

Experience Bonuses (Class)
Warriors: +5%
*Rogues: +10%

*I can't remember if it's 5 or ten, but I'm pretty sure its 10
Post by Empty
Example: Iksar monks get better regen, and innate forage. They get slightly
better (for a monk) stats. They also get a 25% exp penalty.
20%
Post by Empty
Example 2: Troll warriors get regen. Ogre warriors get immunity to melee
stuns from the front arc.
Scott
2004-01-30 02:34:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Khosh
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:22:10 -0000, Empty
Post by Empty
Post by Scott
The race with the stats most suited for that class.
There's more to it than stats.
There are exp penalties and special abilities and (less important now)
faction considerations.
Experience Penalties (Race)
Trolls/Iksars: -20%
Ogres:-15%
Barbarians:-5%
Experience Bonuses (Race)
Halflings: +5%
Experience Bonuses (Class)
Warriors: +5%
*Rogues: +10%
So a halfling Rogue would lvl 15% faster?
Post by Khosh
*I can't remember if it's 5 or ten, but I'm pretty sure its 10
Post by Empty
Example: Iksar monks get better regen, and innate forage. They get slightly
better (for a monk) stats. They also get a 25% exp penalty.
20%
Post by Empty
Example 2: Troll warriors get regen. Ogre warriors get immunity to melee
stuns from the front arc.
Empty
2004-01-30 16:42:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Khosh
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:22:10 -0000, Empty
Post by Empty
Example: Iksar monks get better regen, and innate forage. They get
slightly better (for a monk) stats. They also get a 25% exp penalty.
20%
Yeah, my bad.

Thanks for posting those stats!

~Empty
--
'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it
kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other
till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains,
children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
Spike
Annie Benson-Lennaman
2004-01-30 01:33:29 UTC
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Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
I've played so many different race/class combos I can't begin to remember
them all, let alone list them. But now that I've settled down on a main, I do
wish I had picked a different race than the ever popular choice of High Elf for
my cleric.

If I could change her right now into something else, I would probably pick
something unusual, like Gnome or Erudite, or even human. There are just too
many damned High Elf clerics!

--
Annie

To join the alt.games.everquest chat channel type /join serverwide.age:age
If you want to stayed joined, then after that type /autojoin serverwide.age:age

Currently playing:
Teapray-- 51 High Elf Cleric on Firiona Vie

Teamort-- 16 Dark Elf Necromancer of Lanys T'vyl

Lentea-- 35 Ogre Beastlord On Firiona Vie

--
If you can't figure out my email address, you're not supposed to write me.
Scott
2004-01-30 02:36:11 UTC
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Post by Annie Benson-Lennaman
Post by Scott
Just wondered what everyone thought the best race for each class would be?
I've played so many different race/class combos I can't begin to remember
them all, let alone list them. But now that I've settled down on a main, I do
wish I had picked a different race than the ever popular choice of High Elf for
my cleric.
If I could change her right now into something else, I would probably pick
something unusual, like Gnome or Erudite, or even human. There are just too
many damned High Elf clerics!
I made my first Cleric a dwarf.
Post by Annie Benson-Lennaman
--
Annie
To join the alt.games.everquest chat channel type /join serverwide.age:age
If you want to stayed joined, then after that type /autojoin
serverwide.age:age
Post by Annie Benson-Lennaman
Teapray-- 51 High Elf Cleric on Firiona Vie
Teamort-- 16 Dark Elf Necromancer of Lanys T'vyl
Lentea-- 35 Ogre Beastlord On Firiona Vie
--
If you can't figure out my email address, you're not supposed to write me.
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