weapons with instrument effects

[bob]

ok, so i was looking at instruments for my bard and i noticed that some
weapons and armor have instrument effects. for example, a sword that had 19
percussion instruments, or a mask that had 16 wind instruments. if i wore
the mask and got out my flute that has 22 wind instruments, would the two
stack? or would i only get the effect of the higher one?

[Diablo]

Post by bob
ok, so i was looking at instruments for my bard and i noticed that some
weapons and armor have instrument effects. for example, a sword that had 19
percussion instruments, or a mask that had 16 wind instruments. if i wore
the mask and got out my flute that has 22 wind instruments, would the two
stack?

no

Post by bob
or would i only get the effect of the higher one?

yes



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 16/08/2004

[bob]

Post by bob
ok, so i was looking at instruments for my bard and i noticed that some
weapons and armor have instrument effects. for example, a sword that

had

19

Post by bob
percussion instruments, or a mask that had 16 wind instruments. if i wore
the mask and got out my flute that has 22 wind instruments, would the two
stack?

no

Post by bob
or would i only get the effect of the higher one?

yes

So then what's the point of these armor and weapons? I mean, it might be
nice to sing something like invis, which requires an instrument, without
actually having to get the instrument out, but when you want to really
improve your song, wouldn't it be best to get out the 22 instrument rather
than relying on your 16 mask?

[Darkensolo]

Post by bob

Post by bob
ok, so i was looking at instruments for my bard and i noticed that some
weapons and armor have instrument effects. for example, a sword that

had

19

Post by bob
percussion instruments, or a mask that had 16 wind instruments. if i

wore

Post by bob
the mask and got out my flute that has 22 wind instruments, would the

two

Post by bob
stack?

no

Post by bob
or would i only get the effect of the higher one?

yes

So then what's the point of these armor and weapons? I mean, it might be
nice to sing something like invis, which requires an instrument, without
actually having to get the instrument out, but when you want to really
improve your song, wouldn't it be best to get out the 22 instrument rather
than relying on your 16 mask?

Save swapping, for the most part. Or give you some flexibility in
getting *ANY* instrument effects when mixing up twists a bit.

[John Henders]

Post by Darkensolo

Post by bob
So then what's the point of these armor and weapons? I mean, it might be
nice to sing something like invis, which requires an instrument, without
actually having to get the instrument out, but when you want to really
improve your song, wouldn't it be best to get out the 22 instrument rather
than relying on your 16 mask?

Save swapping, for the most part. Or give you some flexibility in
getting *ANY* instrument effects when mixing up twists a bit.

Especially for wind, there aren't many songs that can improve from
better instrument modifiers anyway. You don't get more invisible with a
better flute, or charm longer or mez longer and that's about the extent
of wind songs. About the only modifier most bards in our guild care
about is drums, for resist songs and running real fast.

[Hagen Sienhold]

Post by John Henders

Post by Darkensolo

Post by bob
So then what's the point of these armor and weapons? I mean, it might be
nice to sing something like invis, which requires an instrument, without
actually having to get the instrument out, but when you want to really
improve your song, wouldn't it be best to get out the 22 instrument rather
than relying on your 16 mask?

Save swapping, for the most part. Or give you some flexibility in
getting *ANY* instrument effects when mixing up twists a bit.

Especially for wind, there aren't many songs that can improve from
better instrument modifiers anyway. You don't get more invisible with a
better flute, or charm longer or mez longer and that's about the extent
of wind songs. About the only modifier most bards in our guild care
about is drums, for resist songs and running real fast.

Hm, I thought it migtht influence resist checks for charm though...
Later singing mod comes in really handy. But you obviously would not get
this with instruments. :)
And unless you raid in pop/god I doubt you will find a lot equipment
with has singing mod on it. :/

Hagen

[Davian]

Post by Hagen Sienhold
And unless you raid in pop/god I doubt you will find a lot equipment
with has singing mod on it. :/

Necklace of the Melodic Dragon. Veeshan's Peak quest.

My dwarf loves it for those late night drinking songs.

[Hagen Sienhold]

Post by Davian

Post by Hagen Sienhold
And unless you raid in pop/god I doubt you will find a lot equipment
with has singing mod on it. :/

Necklace of the Melodic Dragon. Veeshan's Peak quest.
My dwarf loves it for those late night drinking songs.

Now this is a nice trinket. :)
Though the problem is how do I raise RoS Faction first?
And second is it still in the game after the VP revamp?
I had a quick look at the factions part on allakhazam and it looks like
cleansing Castle Mistmoore should do the trick. Are there better/faster
ways to do this for a 65 Bard?

Hagen

[p***@nordebo.com]

Post by Hagen Sienhold

Post by Davian

Post by Hagen Sienhold
And unless you raid in pop/god I doubt you will find a lot equipment
with has singing mod on it. :/

Necklace of the Melodic Dragon. Veeshan's Peak quest.
My dwarf loves it for those late night drinking songs.

Now this is a nice trinket. :)
Though the problem is how do I raise RoS Faction first?
And second is it still in the game after the VP revamp?

It was, in fact, only after the revamp that it went into the game, so
yes, it's still there.

Post by Hagen Sienhold
I had a quick look at the factions part on allakhazam and it looks like
cleansing Castle Mistmoore should do the trick. Are there better/faster
ways to do this for a 65 Bard?

No, Mistmoore it is.

[Hagen Sienhold]

Post by p***@nordebo.com
It was, in fact, only after the revamp that it went into the game, so
yes, it's still there.

I should have guessed this by the HP/Mana on this item....*selfbonk*
But I'm glad it is this way. So I don't have to rush things. I don't
know if the new VP is already live on Kael Drakkal...

Post by p***@nordebo.com

Post by Hagen Sienhold
I had a quick look at the factions part on allakhazam and it looks like
cleansing Castle Mistmoore should do the trick. Are there better/faster
ways to do this for a 65 Bard?

No, Mistmoore it is.

Thank you. I guess castle mistmoore will see a few concerts in the near
future. :)

Hagen

[n***@nino.niue]

Post by Hagen Sienhold
I had a quick look at the factions part on allakhazam and it looks like
cleansing Castle Mistmoore should do the trick. Are there better/faster
ways to do this for a 65 Bard?

Not only is it the fastest way, you're the best suited class for it too!

I found it easy to just grab a nice size train and tanking them all while
twisting AE dots (the dot/slow Melody of Mischief makes this even easier
for a bard). I could almost kill every mob in the zone before respawns,
though I mostly kept to the castle as there was often exp groups killing
the mobs outside (never saw one in the castle).

Still, expect quite a few hours of grinding faction before you're ally
with faction song.

[Hagen Sienhold]

Post by n***@nino.niue

Post by Hagen Sienhold
I had a quick look at the factions part on allakhazam and it looks like
cleansing Castle Mistmoore should do the trick. Are there better/faster
ways to do this for a 65 Bard?

Not only is it the fastest way, you're the best suited class for it too!
I found it easy to just grab a nice size train and tanking them all while
twisting AE dots (the dot/slow Melody of Mischief makes this even easier
for a bard). I could almost kill every mob in the zone before respawns,
though I mostly kept to the castle as there was often exp groups killing
the mobs outside (never saw one in the castle).
Still, expect quite a few hours of grinding faction before you're ally
with faction song.

I'm afraid I need a couple of hours more since I did kill in VP. ^^
But as long as I don't disturb some groups in Mistmoore it should be
quite easy.

Hagen

[Lance Berg]

Post by bob

Post by bob
ok, so i was looking at instruments for my bard and i noticed that some
weapons and armor have instrument effects. for example, a sword that

had

19

Post by bob
percussion instruments, or a mask that had 16 wind instruments. if i

wore

Post by bob
the mask and got out my flute that has 22 wind instruments, would the

two

Post by bob
stack?

no

Post by bob
or would i only get the effect of the higher one?

yes

So then what's the point of these armor and weapons? I mean, it might be
nice to sing something like invis, which requires an instrument, without
actually having to get the instrument out, but when you want to really
improve your song, wouldn't it be best to get out the 22 instrument rather
than relying on your 16 mask?

When you want to, yes.

But many effect, such as the invisibility you mention, aren't improved
by the instrument, either they work or they don't.

And many of those that are improved by instrument are still quite often
with no instrument at all, as swapping out weapons in order to lay the
instrument in hand at the right time and then back fast enough not to
lose much DPS while still twisting can be...wearing, and many bards just
don't bother unless its a really desperate time.

Having a so so "instrument" thats always there means when you don't swap
the "real" instrument in, you at least aren't just humming the tune.

Grage, 53 Berserk, Luclin
Llyric, 57 Bard, Morell Thule

[Davian]

Post by bob
So then what's the point of these armor and weapons? I mean, it might be
nice to sing something like invis, which requires an instrument, without
actually having to get the instrument out, but when you want to really
improve your song, wouldn't it be best to get out the 22 instrument rather
than relying on your 16 mask?

The point is this. If you have it on your armor or weapons, then you don't
have to stop doing melee damage to get the bonus. You don't do very much
damage smacking someone upside the head with a flute.

[Lance Berg]

Post by Davian

Post by bob
So then what's the point of these armor and weapons? I mean, it might be
nice to sing something like invis, which requires an instrument, without
actually having to get the instrument out, but when you want to really
improve your song, wouldn't it be best to get out the 22 instrument rather
than relying on your 16 mask?

The point is this. If you have it on your armor or weapons, then you don't
have to stop doing melee damage to get the bonus. You don't do very much
damage smacking someone upside the head with a flute.

This is a bard we are talking about. First off, he should be able to
juggle in the flute so its there as the song he needs it for finishes
casting, then juggle it back away, with very little chance of losing any
melee output.

But second of all, this is a bard, so your sentence should have read simply

"You don't do very much damage"

If you're too lazy to juggle, just keep the flute in hand and sing on.

Grage