rollbacks?

[the wharf rat]

I've heard an unpleasant rumor of impending rollbacks due to
a dupe bug involving leatherfoot haversacks of all things... Ugly rumor
or scary truth?

[John Smith]

Aparantly, there's a dupe bug that allows people to dupe tradeskill created
bags (AAAA,
leatherfoot, tae ew, etc). SOE will not be rolling people's accounts back.
The only concern you should have about SOE doinking with your character is
if you unfortunately bought one of these bags from one of the dupers. If so,
you might end up with one of those large disenchanted bags in your inventory
instead of the bag you bought. You may or may not get your plat refunded. If
you were one of the people doing the duping, then you might want to brace
yourself for a little bit harsher treatment from SOE. But then again, you
prolly would have done it from one of those 30 day free trial accounts
instead of with your level 75 main character account.

Post by the wharf rat
I've heard an unpleasant rumor of impending rollbacks due to
a dupe bug involving leatherfoot haversacks of all things... Ugly rumor
or scary truth?

[Don Woods]

Post by John Smith
Aparantly, there's a dupe bug that allows people to dupe tradeskill created
bags (AAAA,
leatherfoot, tae ew, etc). SOE will not be rolling people's accounts back.
The only concern you should have about SOE doinking with your character is
if you unfortunately bought one of these bags from one of the dupers. If so,
you might end up with one of those large disenchanted bags in your inventory
instead of the bag you bought. You may or may not get your plat refunded. If
you were one of the people doing the duping, then you might want to brace
yourself for a little bit harsher treatment from SOE. But then again, you
prolly would have done it from one of those 30 day free trial accounts
instead of with your level 75 main character account.

Fascinating. That probably explains why the bottom seemed to be
falling out of the haversack market. I was seeing multiple people
having price wars where they each had 30-60 of the things. I just
looked again now and there's none for sale, and hardly any other
container tokens.

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[Impmon]

Post by Don Woods
Fascinating. That probably explains why the bottom seemed to be
falling out of the haversack market. I was seeing multiple people
having price wars where they each had 30-60 of the things. I just
looked again now and there's none for sale, and hardly any other
container tokens.

Not surprising. SOE is checking and kicking players who exploited the
bug out. The exploiter might get a rollback to remove the duped bags
and the ill gotten plats.

I did see at one time 20 AAAA's and someone was offering them in /ooc
for 90k each.

[D.J.]

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:38:35 GMT, Impmon <***@digi.mon> wrote:
]On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 10:22:26 GMT, Don Woods <don-***@iCynic.com> wrote:
]
]>Fascinating. That probably explains why the bottom seemed to be
]>falling out of the haversack market. I was seeing multiple people
]>having price wars where they each had 30-60 of the things. I just
]>looked again now and there's none for sale, and hardly any other
]>container tokens.
]
]Not surprising. SOE is checking and kicking players who exploited the
]bug out. The exploiter might get a rollback to remove the duped bags
]and the ill gotten plats.
]
]I did see at one time 20 AAAA's and someone was offering them in /ooc
]for 90k each.

I saw some bag offered on Xegony bazaar last weekend for 1 gold.

JimP.

[the wharf rat]

Post by John Smith
if you unfortunately bought one of these bags from one of the dupers. If so,
you might end up with one of those large disenchanted bags in your inventory
instead of the bag you bought. You may or may not get your plat refunded. If

I don't care about the plat. I was running my main around the
bazaar and saw someone selling a couple of dozen haversacks for 2K each.
I figured he'd just been doing skillups and wanted to recoup his cost.
I bought two one for each of two alts. Since then I've done a bunch of
work on my main and not a little on the alts, and I'd be very annoyed
if they did what they did last time.

If the bag changes that's ok, I can live with that. If they roll
me back to last week I'll be...upset.

[A***@gmail.com]

Post by the wharf rat

Post by John Smith
if you unfortunately bought one of these bags from one of the dupers. If so,
you might end up with one of those large disenchanted bags in your inventory
instead of the bag you bought. You may or may not get your plat refunded. If

I don't care about the plat. I was running my main around the
bazaar and saw someone selling a couple of dozen haversacks for 2K each.
I figured he'd just been doing skillups and wanted to recoup his cost.
I bought two one for each of two alts. Since then I've done a bunch of
work on my main and not a little on the alts, and I'd be very annoyed
if they did what they did last time.
If the bag changes that's ok, I can live with that. If they roll
me back to last week I'll be...upset.

The Dupe has been around for quite some time and people started
getting greedy I hope they roll em back 6 months

[Impmon]

Post by A***@gmail.com
The Dupe has been around for quite some time and people started
getting greedy I hope they roll em back 6 months

That'd be a lot. tool back by about a month to when the dupe bug was
first discovered. But I do hope SOE limits to roll back to just the
dupers because the last time there was roll back, a lot of people who
weren't aware of the beta NPC bug got hurt, and that beta npc fiasco
was only up for an hour whilew the current duping issue was on for a
month. If SOE was to roll back every single player that has touched
the bag, and expand to every single player who touched the tainted
money or bags we'd have the entire population rolled back.

Imagine the howl of protest when 1 month worth of xping, 1 month of
gears, 1 month of complicated quests, etc all wiped because most of
them didn't know.

[the wharf rat]

Post by Impmon
Imagine the howl of protest when 1 month worth of xping, 1 month of
gears, 1 month of complicated quests, etc all wiped because most of
them didn't know.
--

Something I don't understand is if Sony was aware of this problem
why not have a GM drop by the bazaar once a day and look for someone with
200 haversacks for 1K each?

[Impmon]

Post by the wharf rat

Post by Impmon
Imagine the howl of protest when 1 month worth of xping, 1 month of
gears, 1 month of complicated quests, etc all wiped because most of
them didn't know.
--

Something I don't understand is if Sony was aware of this problem
why not have a GM drop by the bazaar once a day and look for someone with
200 haversacks for 1K each?

Because only moron would reveal the whole hand early in this bug. This
is hearsay but some smarter players opted to store most of the duped
bags on corpses since corpses are rarely checked. Then they would
take a few out to sell at a time giving the illusion of having only a
few in stock the whole time.

As I understand, once SOE became aware of the bug, they watched
Caerlyna for unusual large number of bags to tokens exchange, and
sometimes followed player who came in bazaar just to get 2 identical
bags (leatherfoot haversack, AAAA, and tae ew hide sack) and watched
the player for suspicious activity. There were ways to get around but
most got caught anyway, were stripped of ill gotten loot, and usually
given a 1 week suspension for taking advantage of the bug in violation
of EULA.

What I don't understand was why didn't SOE slip in a quick fix that
made all bags worth nothing to vendor since it was the vendor bug that
caused it.

For those that aren't familiar with this particular duping exploit,
since it is now >> nerfed, << I can safely explain. Have you noticed
when you try to sell any bags or containers to vendor, sometimes the
vendor would refuse? If you checked the vendor inventory after the
vendor refused, the in stock quality increased. TYhis has been an
issue for over a month.

So get 2 rare and desirable bags that are dropable and not lore, sell
one to a vendor in an empty zone, then spam selling second bag. The
second bag won't actually sell but the vendor stock will go up. Then
you buy back all the bags, and sell it for fast money. Some have
claimed to get as many as 100 per hour by hand clicking, more using
macro program (another EULA violation here) Then sell it really
cheap.

Most of the moron who were caught after SOE found out about the
exploit were those that had large number of supposedly rare bags,
selling them really cheap like AAAA for 90k instead of normal 150k to
200k, or just got careless and blabbed.

Duped bags are still around but those numbers are very small. I don't
know if SOE is still checking the log for exploit abusers who knew
before SOE did so, I'd say avoid buying those 3 most duped bags for a
couple weeks: AAAA, tae ew hide sacks, and leatherofoot haversacks.

[Impmon]

Post by the wharf rat
I've heard an unpleasant rumor of impending rollbacks due to
a dupe bug involving leatherfoot haversacks of all things... Ugly rumor
or scary truth?

The bag duping is the truth but I don't think there will be roll
backs. The duping is still live and has been going on for too long.
The last time SOE rolled back, there were lots of outcry. Too many
people who weren't aware of the problem got rolled back and lost
legimate items and xp.

After that fiasco SOE may just roll back those directly involved in
the duping or something but not the whole populace. I do know they
are watching a certain npc very closely and will suspend anyone that
is caught using the exploit.

PS not just leatherfoot haversack but also tae ew hide sack and AAAA,
and possibly other. Just avoid buying any bags if they aren't sold on
vendor normally.