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Lance Berg
2007-08-18 11:37:42 UTC
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So I recently put things into high gear and PLed my son's mage from 36
to 47. Half of that was MM's, as DODH just opened for the Combine
server, the other half was actual PLing, with my SK using self DS plus
clicky DS plus potion DS plus the mage's DS, and just standing there
with multiple mobs beating on him while the mage did a little damage to
each. Sometimes, I'd pick one of the group and kill it myself to keep
my HP up, no exp for the mage on that one, but we had no healer and this
was a good way to keep going.

At any rate, once he hit 47, he was able to group with me for exp, and
it turns out he gets a pretty good chunk. Killing P&E down in PoJ Death
Row, he gets about a blue per kill, and it goes much faster and smoother
with me actually trying to kill the mobs instead of just waiting for
them to kill themselves on my DS.

Got him up to 50, and a friend wanted to go over to Ferubi to pick up a
Torn page for her cleric. Well we grouped up, and I tried to box the
mage over while my son was having lunch. Died on the way in, dunno if I
got close to a see invis mob or invis just broke. Oh well, got rez,
looted, memmed spells, and went back to my SK getting set up. Looked
back at the laptop and the little guy was dead again. Cleric zoned out,
body nowhere to be found. I zoned out, used locate corpse and found
him, all the way across the zone somewhere. Weird. OK, dragged him
back, got him rezzed and looted and ran back across the zone so whatever
roamer wouldn't kill him again. Back to the SK. Look over after a
minute, he's dead again. This time though there hasn't been so much
spam and I can read what happened... he was denied access to the zone
due to his level, punted back to the succor spot in Qinimi, which has an
aggro mob in aggro range, and I hadn't invised him. I doubtless did the
same thing to him the first time, tried to zone, and just forgot I'd
done that, thought I'd left him sitting there to get mana back.

SOOOO the point of this story is, I'm now grouping a 50 mage with my 70
SK, and want to know which zones he's not allowed to enter. I knew
about the POP zones, but didn't think this happened much outside there.
Is there a list somewhere of which zones require what levels?

Further, we had 5 high level people in Ferubi, but the 50 mage was still
getting kicked. What happened to the 85/15 rule? Is there a list of
which zones do and do not allow that rule for alternate access?

Finally, I'm looking for zones where we can duo where I can get
something worthwhile, be it faction or loot or exp, and yet he can make
a noticable contribution. That will get easier and easier as he
continues to level up of course.
Louise Parker
2007-08-19 00:53:06 UTC
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Post by Lance Berg
So I recently put things into high gear and PLed my son's mage from 36
to 47. Half of that was MM's, as DODH just opened for the Combine
server, the other half was actual PLing, with my SK using self DS plus
clicky DS plus potion DS plus the mage's DS, and just standing there
with multiple mobs beating on him while the mage did a little damage to
each. Sometimes, I'd pick one of the group and kill it myself to keep
my HP up, no exp for the mage on that one, but we had no healer and this
was a good way to keep going.
At any rate, once he hit 47, he was able to group with me for exp, and
it turns out he gets a pretty good chunk. Killing P&E down in PoJ Death
Row, he gets about a blue per kill, and it goes much faster and smoother
with me actually trying to kill the mobs instead of just waiting for
them to kill themselves on my DS.
Got him up to 50, and a friend wanted to go over to Ferubi to pick up a
Torn page for her cleric. Well we grouped up, and I tried to box the
mage over while my son was having lunch. Died on the way in, dunno if I
got close to a see invis mob or invis just broke. Oh well, got rez,
looted, memmed spells, and went back to my SK getting set up. Looked
back at the laptop and the little guy was dead again. Cleric zoned out,
body nowhere to be found. I zoned out, used locate corpse and found
him, all the way across the zone somewhere. Weird. OK, dragged him
back, got him rezzed and looted and ran back across the zone so whatever
roamer wouldn't kill him again. Back to the SK. Look over after a
minute, he's dead again. This time though there hasn't been so much
spam and I can read what happened... he was denied access to the zone
due to his level, punted back to the succor spot in Qinimi, which has an
aggro mob in aggro range, and I hadn't invised him. I doubtless did the
same thing to him the first time, tried to zone, and just forgot I'd
done that, thought I'd left him sitting there to get mana back.
SOOOO the point of this story is, I'm now grouping a 50 mage with my 70
SK, and want to know which zones he's not allowed to enter. I knew
about the POP zones, but didn't think this happened much outside there.
Is there a list somewhere of which zones require what levels?
Further, we had 5 high level people in Ferubi, but the 50 mage was still
getting kicked. What happened to the 85/15 rule? Is there a list of
which zones do and do not allow that rule for alternate access?
Finally, I'm looking for zones where we can duo where I can get
something worthwhile, be it faction or loot or exp, and yet he can make
a noticable contribution. That will get easier and easier as he
continues to level up of course.
The 5/6 or 85/15 unflagged rule thingy - whatever doesn't apply to level
limits for zones.Otherwise u could have a level 1 toon in potime or whatever
;P Even with alt access for some zones like say Plane of valor, i still
think it has a min of 46?

As for xp for a 50, well worth checkin out the current hotzones for that
level.. The hole ftw! (ok thats a biased suggestion based on my love for
that zone)
Lief
2007-08-19 02:43:41 UTC
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Post by Louise Parker
Even with alt access for some zones like say Plane of valor, i still
think it has a min of 46?
Yes as you cannot zone into PoT until 46.
Post by Louise Parker
As for xp for a 50, well worth checkin out the current hotzones for that
level.. The hole ftw! (ok thats a biased suggestion based on my love for
that zone)
Blah do justice trial / pos quest and go to BoT :P
Faned
2007-08-21 11:01:49 UTC
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Post by Lief
Post by Louise Parker
Even with alt access for some zones like say Plane of valor, i still
think it has a min of 46?
Yes as you cannot zone into PoT until 46.
Post by Louise Parker
As for xp for a 50, well worth checkin out the current hotzones for that
level.. The hole ftw! (ok thats a biased suggestion based on my love for
that zone)
Blah do justice trial / pos quest and go to BoT :P
BoT exp really really really sucks. If it's a hotzone now, maybe you could
cut off one of those reallys...
Lief
2007-08-21 12:42:06 UTC
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Post by Faned
Post by Lief
Post by Louise Parker
Even with alt access for some zones like say Plane of valor, i still
think it has a min of 46?
Yes as you cannot zone into PoT until 46.
Post by Louise Parker
As for xp for a 50, well worth checkin out the current hotzones for that
level.. The hole ftw! (ok thats a biased suggestion based on my love for
that zone)
Blah do justice trial / pos quest and go to BoT :P
BoT exp really really really sucks. If it's a hotzone now, maybe you could
cut off one of those reallys...
Nope, its good xp for 50-62 still.

TBS missions the best though :p
Faned
2007-08-21 14:07:17 UTC
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Post by Lief
Post by Faned
Post by Lief
Post by Louise Parker
Even with alt access for some zones like say Plane of valor, i still
think it has a min of 46?
Yes as you cannot zone into PoT until 46.
Post by Louise Parker
As for xp for a 50, well worth checkin out the current hotzones for
that
Post by Faned
Post by Lief
Post by Louise Parker
level.. The hole ftw! (ok thats a biased suggestion based on my love
for
Post by Faned
Post by Lief
Post by Louise Parker
that zone)
Blah do justice trial / pos quest and go to BoT :P
BoT exp really really really sucks. If it's a hotzone now, maybe you
could
Post by Faned
cut off one of those reallys...
Nope, its good xp for 50-62 still.
TBS missions the best though :p
No, it's not "good" exp ever. The mobs have too much hp for their level.
It's a simple equation that decides whether exp is "good". One large
variable in the equation is how fast the mobs die. In BoT, the answer is
not fast enough.

It is "easy" to get to and "easy" to find a spot to camp, though. Those
aren't variables in my grind, but I can understand how they might be for
others. That doesn't make it good exp, just easy.
Lief
2007-08-21 22:27:38 UTC
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Post by Faned
No, it's not "good" exp ever. The mobs have too much hp for their level.
It's a simple equation that decides whether exp is "good". One large
variable in the equation is how fast the mobs die. In BoT, the answer is
not fast enough.
Depends what group you take there innit...one good 75 (even 70 on
combine)dps + alts makes them die fast enough /shrug.

Think did my warrior 50-58ish there in not a very long time, then went to
valde.
John Gordon
2007-08-22 20:00:03 UTC
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Post by Faned
No, it's not "good" exp ever. The mobs have too much hp for their level.
Depends what group you take there innit...one good 75 (even 70 on
combine)dps + alts makes them die fast enough /shrug.
And if you were to take that same group elsewhere, the monsters would
die *even faster*.
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Lief
2007-08-23 02:55:38 UTC
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Post by Lief
Post by Faned
No, it's not "good" exp ever. The mobs have too much hp for their level.
Depends what group you take there innit...one good 75 (even 70 on
combine)dps + alts makes them die fast enough /shrug.
And if you were to take that same group elsewhere, the monsters would
die *even faster*.
Oh yes. The fabled 'elsewhere'
Don Woods
2007-08-23 09:41:17 UTC
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Post by John Gordon
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Depends what group you take there innit...one good 75 (even 70 on
combine)dps + alts makes them die fast enough /shrug.
And if you were to take that same group elsewhere, the monsters would
die *even faster*.
Oh yes. The fabled 'elsewhere'
No, the fabled elsewhere is only available during anniversary months.

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Tony
2007-08-28 07:22:44 UTC
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Depends what group you take there innit...one good 75 (even 70 on
combine)dps + alts makes them die fast enough /shrug.
And if you were to take that same group elsewhere, the monsters would
die *even faster*.
Oh yes. The fabled 'elsewhere'
No, the fabled elsewhere is only available during anniversary months.
And you have to queue to get him to spawn. And honestly his Fabled
Otherthing isn't that good.
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Lance Berg
2007-08-22 03:00:04 UTC
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Between POJ and POI (the factory mobs are higher level) we got him up to
51. Then went and did the POJ executioner trial, and spent about half
the level in POValor and the other half in Sebelis (getting the key for
him took much longer than I expected, when I got my own last fall it
took about 10 minutes with no tracker, but it took us most of an hour to
find a forager.) down in the jail and the shrooms nearby. Both areas
feature mobs that are easy for me to solo at 70, but between DB and
yellow to him.

I still haven't seen an answer to my question about which zones have
what level limits though. I can figure out the POP ones easily enough,
but running into that Ferubi line completely blindsided me.
Tony Evans
2007-08-22 08:25:31 UTC
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I still haven't seen an answer to my question about which zones have
what level limits though. I can figure out the POP ones easily enough,
but running into that Ferubi line completely blindsided me.
The GoD level limits aren't well known because people tend never to try and
go there anyway. I believe Qinimi used to have a level 60 limit but I'm no
longer totally sure. Personally, I have no clue, I was already level 65 by
the time we started doing GoD.
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